God, I'm happy someone finally wrote about this. I totally agree with you. Music has become so cheap and annoying, singing is now open for anyone as long as they have either the looks, or the money, or the sex-appeal. Voices suck, video clips are exactly what you described them, and I hope someone will stop this stupidity. It doesn't only use the woman body in the cheapest way ever, but also disrespect the audience.

Yes, you're completely right. The arrogance of these idiots pretending to sing and their lack of respect for our traditions and beliefs shock me.
It also seems that the huge amount of new Arabic music channels is Encouraging this act of transforming music into pornography.
Sick.

Take a look at the recent Jerash Festival and notice how many tickets were sold for shows that displayed exactly what you are critizing. Half clad performers who parade on stage trying to sing. But these "singers" are giving us exactly what we want (as sales of tickets and CDs show). If more people reject what they force down our throats with this garbage then they will be forced to change.

Salam,
Thanks MMM for the nice article. I agree with you Joe, they won't be able to promote this garbage if the listeners had a big resistance to it, but when they see that the garbage is selling good , they'll push it. If Wattani song,for instance, will sell good they'll go for it. it's about making money for them and we,listeners, who make it work or not for them. We should raise high and refuse that garbage.
what is left from the humanity values when women (mothers, sisters,daughters) are turned to be objects for sale in such a cheap price!!
The Irony is that conservative communities are considered as a community that direspect women and humiliate them,while this "liberal" communities are the one who are bringing freedom for them!!
Peace and Love

I couldn't agree with you more MMM, this has troubleb me for some time now. I have actually posted my own thoughts on the Superstar Prime 6 discussion forum, here it is in case you missed it.

"A closing note, look at the many music channels curtsy of your satellite provider, someone please tell me what have we eluded to over the past few years? Naked women shaking their rear ends, Bull S__T artists with no vocals what so ever, who discovered these retards in the first place. We live in musical vacuum that gave birth to clowns who cash in on our ignorance and lack of taste. Truly we need to change our approach to music which starts by producing a group of talented artists and individuals. The Arabic music market is so thirsty for such talents who's roots are anchored deep rich musical tradition."

Good Night - Abu Farweh

i agree 100%..
u know.. Nelly maqdasi was a porn star in America before she became a singer in the middle east...at least thats what i hear.. & im not surprised
its a sad world were livin in :(
& i appreciate all of u great men who speak out against this stuff.. u give me hope :)

Yeah, I know about Nelly Maqdasi being a porn star in the US before becoming a singer in Lebanon. She confirmed it herself. I read it in the news.

But I didn't mention it in my blog because even though she was a porn star, other singers who weren't are releasing more revealing videos than hers.

It's a big shame how an ex-pornstar can be considered more respectable than some of the other "artists" we've got out there.

hey i heard nelly was a porn star too! i couldnt belive it at first coz wen u compare her to others she aint that bad( compared to nancy or elissa!) does anybody know any other arab singers know used to b porn stars?!!? and im gratful that boys are against this thing coz l8ly no one seems to care bout porn or anything they think its normal! hamdilah these are tru guys!:D

i agree MMM..
& Palestinian-i dont know about any other arab singers that were real porn stars..?

but did anyone see Ruby lately!! o my goodness .. go to Oghnia.com they have an article on her latest movie by Sherif Sabri!!..its so shameful.. this is really sickening.. i hope they would ban her from tv.. but u know LBC and future would probably show this stuff.. (they even show (dirty) american video clips sometimes nowadays.. which really gets on my nerves .. b/c im in america paying for arabic satellite... & they give me americans to watch..how stupid ) ... but anyway.. i wish ruby would go work for porn station in america rather than polluting our society.. .. next thing u know we will have gays all over our media .. just like America.. God help us!!

hi every 1!..
yh somebody i did c rubys thing on oghnia OMG wat the hell is she doing i mean its soo araf! she is better off in the prostitution industry! yaaa rab etrooh 3ala al naar! lool

yes...exactly these ppl show all this nudity on the music channel and its so embrassing sitting in front of your parents or sisters and watching something like this...now before switching on at a music channel i think 2 times and i prefer looking at the english music...if they have nudity in them they also have some talent which shows off...the main thing is that these channel has to bane such music so that families can see the channel easily and so that these f***ed ppl don't make porn songs...:@

Yes, for any idiot its so obvious that someone wants to keep you back, making you transfer your brain cells from your head into your genitals! why, i have no reason. I believe people always had a life os sex and there is no reason for them to bark like dogs over a naked piece of meat. Next you know, we will have male strippers and lamma 2a2olo 2ahh, y2oli howa la2 !!!!!!

i want sexy arabic sengers a porn hot xxx site for them like najwa karam and nawal elzoghby and elissa and nancy ajram

.....hi every body...^_^ i'm reay surpirsed to find that there're many arabs who're aganist this new sort of music and clips..
in fact the arabic T.V recently 's been full with clips soundin like the stupid dirty west vidos or even wores we... nowadays have Xpornstars making up some dirts and shitty clips for us..i ohpe there comes no a time when /gays 'd have thier share in our screens.
but don't u think that all these garbge has some thing to do with the latest attack in iraq i mean since then every thing just exploded up u know and we have the great chance to see silly peron iraqi girls showin thier cockies on the wilde screen....]
ihope this will have an end soon

you guys are seriously a bunch of losers...we're suppose to be heading towards freedom and not arrogance

u lot a hypocrites!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

if u dontlike it, dont watch it!!!!!!!!!

ur 100 percent right

greetings here a guy from morrocco !! agrees with you we dont need naked chicks singing bull shit for us ! and you guys who think that's hyporite u d better watch a whole porn movie and enjoy yourselves instead of defending such whores !!
the future belongs to the brave !

Oh come on guys arrogance to freedom of expression is such a stupid idea we are now in the new milleniun wither u like it or not. Things will gonna push through like the new age of music video being aired on arabic music television. We are now moving FORWARD to the NEW AGE not MOVING BACKWARD. Such insulent idea of not watching the sexy music video is a darn stone age mind so if you're against it... its quite simple DONT WATCH any of it so you'll not have to comment.... PEACE

Thanks Ozzi for your comment!!! very true if you whingers don like then dont watch or listen....you must be enjoying it to constantly know of its wide existance....Keep it up ladies let the world know how sexy Arab women really are. Its time for the real arab world to come out of its shell. Of course the muslim world has to whinge about petty things!!!!!

I do agree with both parties whom saying if u dont like it dont watch it and whome saying its discusting , we need such subjects to discus and give our openions but plz dont forget our all interrest and aim our dignity and disteny.

We all are good at criticising but not that great at mending our actions.Deeds are stronger than words.
Adnan

I totally agree with ozzis's and baba's point of view. If you don't like it, don't watch it!!

And honestly, the music videos I have seen, that are supposed to be porn, are really harmless.
Its good that Future TV and LBC show such Videos, because there are different perceptions of sexuality and morality in the Arab world.

Some people don't understand that and want to export their radical views elsewhere. If you are happy with your tradition then live with it, but don't force it on someone else, because it is not my tradition. Lebanon is different from Oman, and Yemen is different from Turkey and Saudi-Arabia is different from Somalia.

I don't want to live in a world in which sexuality is bad, someone who has a different opinion is killed, gays/lesbians are executed and mother's day is supposed to be "haram".

If you think that is "tradition" then I am sorry, I don't share your traditions.

I have read many of the comment made by men who dislike and disragree on how women are presented in the media these days using the sex-apeal to reach out to larger audience among men. I must say the same men complinaning about the issue, are just worring abut thier world colapsing in front of their eyes. In the Arab world, women has been and always been a sexual object for men to have children and to fullfill their desires and pleasures but only in private. Now, some women are liberated able to use that for their own interst and advantage with or without men's approval. If a man is concerned with any social morality, one could or should teach and help a daughter, sister, mother or wife ways to educate her self, preserve her degnity and self respect according to renewable morale code but according to some stupi tradition invented centries and centries ago by men for men against women. Men who do not like what they see on Tv have the possiblity and the choice not to watch it by changing the chanel if others are available or turn of the Tv and read a book of thier choice. fanally, men should say that they are concern withe women moralities because they care only about thier control over women who actualy are capable to compete with men in many aspect of daily life. these mentality is sick, unrealistic and no longer usefull.

Hmmm....
just wondering is there anyone who sizzles and has a good voice/song? if so please tell...
perhaps a sizziling video is better than no video at all but whatever at the end of the day it is you who decides to watch it - if you dont like it switch channels / off the TV / or go sing yourself...

I want sex nancy ajram

This post is useless without pics!

what the hell is going on? what is that big deal if an arabic actress or singer has take off her cloth? where are you living guys? i hope not at the time of salah el din or anyone of the 18th century!you guys should never be like this! retarded is the right word maybe to use!

sick people do sick things, i thing these naked arab singers are tool for rich arab men to make money$$$$$ believe me, they use these poor soul to get rich its the greed people , these individual sold their soul and values to devil , if you an arab man or women and you feel good about seeing these lawlessnes how you fell if your sister have been used like these singers and dancer.

baba this one for you
this subject not intended for your a.. so keep u a.. out of it, you have your own problems and am positive you sick of it like am sick of u f... ignorance. muslim arab women in general are very conservative and they created only for arab muslim or muslim man. this the way its and its will be for good , and these singer you can have them baba they dont considered muslim anymore we call them kaferat ;> thanks allah for my muslim beautiful wife..this for u

That's a sad post. But that's my opinion (A.K.A my ignorance).

The Arab world must stop trying to imitate the West. Arab music is rich in culture and steeped in history, it does not need poor imitators of Madonna or George Michael, since this I find is very shameful. It is time that Arab music went back to its roots, and gained inspiration from there and not the Godless West, as this will only bring disrepute to any society or culture. Also be very wary of the country we call Lebanon. I have seen the filth they put on the Lebanese channel LBC. This channel is the primary tool used by the West and its Jewish owners to bring filth to the homes of the Muslim families. Lebanon has always been a secular society with little appreciation of Islamic values, in part because it has a sizeable Christian community. The Chrisitan Arabs of Lebaonon and their singers and recording studio's have their own agenda of secularising the Arab world through their filthy channels and airing pro-western propganda through music video's to influence the impressionable young.

it is comming from Saudia arabia!!!!

Rotana channel is owned buy one of the royal family in Saudia, they are running the porn from thier, "khadem el 7arameen" he called him self

i agree with the same words of eman

Labanese TV channels, such as LBC, and other like it continue to churn out the same boring retarded music videos, designed to cheapen and degrade women. Whenever there are controversial music videos, which are quite frankly pornographic in their contenet, there is always a Labanese or an Egyptian involved. However why is everyone so surprised! I mean these countries send their women to beauty contests, and their women can be seen dancing on the beach in their bikin's with a cocktail in their hand! The governments of such countries think nothing wrong of it, and practically encourage it...and I don't see the people condemning this...viewing figures are quite high!! so I guess the next logicla step would be to explore further avenues where women can be seen as sex objects....hence comes the wave of hookers in music video's....I wonder what's next.....arab porn video's??

I do not agreen that this is actually the way to the new millenium and that it is inevitable for the whole arab nation to pass through all this rubish, like baba said. It is just not in our culture and we know it is wrong. Porn singers, or semi porn artists are of really low and cheap qaulity voices and morals and that would spread around to the viewers.

people,people....enjoy and watch,for hells sake you are not married to those sluts.. just sit back, relax and watch them show off their assets and enjoy .if not you can always switch to some other channel or get off your lazy butt and do something usefull for a change.. afterall they are the ones who are getting rich,so they could'nt care less to what you think. with all the Satalite channels out there the whole world is watching arab women either in a (abaya) or in a tight thong getting her ass fucked...

"People, people...enjoy", or " switch to some other channel". What kind of a HYPOCRITE ARE you!!!! Do you really think it is all about viewing pleasure, and if one does not like it, they can simply change the channel. Well if that is the logic, then why not have pig farms, and those who want to eat pork can, those who don't can choose not to, OR why not have strip clubs in the Arab world, and those who want to watch strippers can, and those who do not can simply walk past the strip club. LISTEN it is not about the sluts on television screens, it is about the culture they are bringing with them. Try seeing the wider picture. This blind imitation of the West is contradictiry to the values of the Arab world. Why I hear you ask, because the values of the Arab world are based around a woman's dignity and honour. So it is not about changing the channel, it is ABOUT making sure that women are not treated as some pieces of meat, for the sexual pleasure of the male gender. Women deserve much better than that!!

u people u r sick , i think it is due to frustration in arabic world, u don't like don't watch it,LBC is not a jewish channel it is 100% pure lebanese, at least lebanon is not hypocrite like all the arab countties , they have nothing to hide.
while u do everything in secret...
i watched all the clips that by the way not showed on lbc or future but rotana and melody , there is no porn in it.
get a life

It is not hard core porn, but it also goes against the values of Arab culture to see women wearing little clothing frolocking in front of the camera or with other men. I think it is undignified!!! The Arab world is majority Muslim, and we should live our lives according to Islamic values, not take on Western statnic values which have completely destroyed the moral fabric of their socieities. I don't think it is right for the whole world to see women's bodies and for men to gawk at them. A woman's body is for her husband to see and not the rest of the world!!

Jad or whatever you call yourself, you are an ignorant person!! Married people have sex in their privacy of their own home, it is their legitimate right to, but that does not mean since they do something in private they should do so in public. How the hell can you be so sure what goes on privately anyway, have you been to the home of every Arab family?? You should stop writing such bull shit!!

Music videos showing women in such poor light is a digrace to woman kind!! Women are the foundation of any society, that is why Islam puts such importance and emphasis on women, that they should be treated with the upmost respect. Men have degraded women to being nothing more than sexual objects fit for consumption!! This is a secular or satanic way of doing things and runs contrary to Islmic values.

By the way Lebanon are at least 30% Christian, and they do have thier owen agenda, since some of the women in these music viodeo's are also Chritian, these values are running contrary to Islmic values, and most of the media is Jewish owned, even if the shop front may look Arab.

guys get a life its good that lebanon is different from arab countries if u dont like whats goin on dont comment cuz ur not here at first place so f**ck urselves anybody got a comment on that!!!!

Frankly your comments are simply too rude!!! After all that is said and done, is that the best you can come with, "f**ck youself". Try to grow up!!! Lebanon is not all that diofferent to the rest of the Arab world.

Well heres a news flash to all of U. U HAVE THE RIGHT TO FREDOME OF SPEACH AND WHAT EVER U WANT IN LEBANON SO GET USE TO IT BUDDIES... find somthing elles to talk about

You don't even have proper democracy, let alone freedom of speech, you have been ruled by Damascus for the least 25 years, you can't even rule yourself. Iran is influential in Lebabnon, and Israel violates your airspace anytime it wants, if it is not physically invading your country that is, and you talk about freedom of speech!!

Not to mention the civil war where you all like to kill one another, and the continuous bombings in Beirut!!! Your country needs to mature before it can even begin to talk about the pillars of democracy!!!

OMG!! is that a leg!!! shes a pornstar!!!!
man, I am arabic and I honestly hate those like you who bash singers by calling them pornstars and sluts, get some non religious education and open your eyes, Art and porn are different topics.

salut ca va

I think they are showing more than just a leg, and where is the art of showing your mid-rif, ass, and anything else ....heck why not just dance naked!!! Arabs are so screwed in their heads they no longer know the meaning of their own religion!! If its not bad enough that Arabs are killing one another, or having their countries taken over by America, Britain and Israel, now they putting their women up for domestic consumption.....ain't that cool!! Oh look at us, our women are hardly wearing any clothes...IS THAT ART??!!! HECK WHATEVER IT IS WE MUST BE MODERN NOW???? GO AND GET AN EDUCATION IN THE ART OF DECENCY

Well said.....tres bien!!!! About time someone made a distinction between art and crappy second rate Arab slut videos...they can't even sing!!! There is no imagination, all videos look the same, how pathetic.

i have preview elissa sex

O cm on. U cant be serious, ure way 2 strict if u dnt like what they are doing then just dont watch it. How do u no that these people are all acting like porn stars wen u no u dnt like it. Ure obviously watching there full videos haha!!

"How do u no that these people are all acting like porn stars wen u no u dnt like it. Ure obviously watching there fullO cm on...." BLAH BLAH BLAH

ARAB CULTURE ARAB VALUES!!!!!! THESE SLUTS COPYING THEIR WESTERN COUNTERPARTS RUNS AGAINST ARAB CULTURAL VALUES...IT'S NOT ABOUT NOT WATCHING IT!!!!

listen guys Nelly is no porn star and neither are any of the lebanese or arab singers the west are just jealus about our arab girls they are far more prettier and more honest than any west girls its true sometimes they go to far but such is life if u dont like watching them then dont and i personnaly like nelly very much she has good songs and looks dashing.

ARAB WOMEN WHO BEHAVE LIKE WHORES ARE WHORES!!! AND THEY COPY WESTERN WHORES. I guess some people like SLUT CULTURE!!! ITS NOT ABOUT NOT WATCHING IT, IT'S ABOUT VALUES...ARAB VALUES.....Trust PATHETIC MEN TO SAY, "OH I like Nelly, I like sluts...oh look how she swings those hips....oh look she's naked....this must be ART...." BLAH BLAH BLAH. Some men are so PATHETIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You are 100% right, if Arab women cannot make decent video's, they should not make them at all. I have no problems with video's, but is now getting to a point that one cannot sit down with the family and watch some of the performances, and it is not a good example for young children. These music videos are diluting our values, our culture, and corrupting to society, especially to vulnerable children. It is not a question of switching the channel, it is about confronting the wrong kind of image about women. Unfortunatley there are some men who do not think with their heads, but think further south, who think nothing wrong of women behaving in a slutty manner, these men have no sense of shame...I wonder if they would allow their sisters or wives to behave in the same way?

Dear Elissa,

Really i think you are jealus on Nelly or the good looking arab singers when they start having sex while singing then you can call them whores when you go out dont you put on a tight jeans or a short skirt then should i call u in decent if you dont then this is no place for you to be in or to comment.
Please never say an arab fellow person is a whore because she puts mini skirt and sings in a clip whatch jessica simpson and call her a whore.

Hassan are you an IDIOT because you write like one. I don't wear a mini skirt, or tight jeans. I wear casual clothes, that don't show off my body to the rest of the world!!!! I dress conservatively, but not provocatively, and WHO THE HELL ARE YOU TO TELL ME I AM JEALOUS, JEALOUS OF WHAT...WHORES....AND GOOD LOOKING.....ARE YOU KIDDING...THESE WOMEN LOOK GOOD ON TV....AND OF COURSE NO DOUBT I KNOW YOU OBVIOUSLY DON'T THINK WITH YOUR HEAD...HORMONES HAVE THE BETTER OF YOU!!!! YOU PATHETIC SAD MAN...HOW DARE YOU PRESUME!!IF ARAB WOMEN BEHAVE LIKE WHORES THEY ARE WHORES...THEY HAVE SOLD THEIR BODIES TO THE WORLD....THE WHOLE WORLD HAVE SEEN THEIR BODIES BEFORE THEIR HUSBANDS HAVE. THIS KIND OF CULTURE HAS NO PLACE IN THE MUSLIM AND ARAB WORLD!!!

Well done Alissa...I share your opinions......people like Hassan are a disgrace. It amazes me that looking at this forum and the state of the Arab world..just howe pathetic the Arabs are. SEX SEX SEX AND MORE SEX is all that occupies their mind!!! Palestine is bleeding, Iraq is being RAPED by the Americans and the British, and what the hell are these PATHETIC ARABS talking about...OH YES WHORES ON STAGE SINGING CRAP!!!!!!! There are Arab men with nothing better to do then talk about such women and praise them. For goodness sake the Arab world is the most backwards in the world. There is nothing that comes out of the Arab world, and most of it is third world. They are technologically backwards, rely on oil, industrially non existent, and how many universities in the Arab world are world renouned, right up there with Oxford, Cambridge, Harvard, Stanford, Kings, Imperial. None, and what are the Arabs talk about ...ahhh yes singing, dancing, drinking smoking gambling...things Arabs are famous for. WAKE UP WAKE UP WAKE UP WAKE UP, Stop discussing useless issues, and take interest with what is happening to brotherly nations where are brothers and sisters are dying!!!!!!!!

Well done Alissa you really proved to me that you are jealus of the arab girls singers i think you are living in a dream world pretending that you are the decent one if you are so much interested in the muslim way why dont you move to afghanistan there you wouldnt need to watch t.v or listen to music or even use the internet but no you cant you are what i call a pretender living a lie i am sure you put on shorter skirts than the arab singers and have more than 10 boyfriends then you come and become judgemental on the internet about the musicians tell me you dont listen to madonna or britney spears or even jessica simpson i advice you to move too afghanistan and there you wont need to watch T.V.leave our people ALONE i for one dont think yor are an Arab i say this to you for the last time leave arab singers alone.

Samir if you are so much interested in iraq or Palestine then go there and fight do you think you are the only one who is sad of what is happening to the arab people this is done by the west they have our leaders in their pay rolls and if any leader proves to be tough they would want to take him down as now a muslim country like Iran is beginning to get Nuclear power for peacefull use to become a self dependant nation they now say they are seeking nuclear weapons i hope is true that they are so that at least we muslims will have a strong muslim brother nation that doesnt bow to the west needs.
And we have good schools in lebanon, Iran and other arab nations but we would not be allowed to get a name cause thanks to some muslim extremists we are now considred to be terrorists leave the arab people alone dont critisize if you dont like the arab singers wearing short skirts dont watch them let them be they are not all hookers these days if you dont put on a small show people wont like you.
Watch spears or jessica and if you dont then dont watch any.

Hassan you are a hypocrite, spoken like a true Arab idiot!!! I am doing something about Iraq, and afghanistan, I have organised a number of petition against the war, here in London, what have you done. Also no there are no world renouned universities in the Arab world, well may be the AL-Azhar in egypt, but that is it. Terrorism has nothing to do with academic excellence. No Arab university is considered even close to some of thge Universities in Europe and America, Canada, Japan. It looks to me you have no idea as to what you are writing about...you are a sell out. Keep deluding yourself into thinking that the Arab world has educational institutions of a world standard, which they clearly don't. On the issue of Iran, it is not a nuclear power, and won't be any time soon. It's not even a powerful country, militraily it is weak compared to Israel, which is the poerhouse of the region, thanks to the USA, unfortunate as it may seem. By the way you conveniently left out the only Muslim country that is a nuclear power...PAKISTAN!!!!!! With your narrow vision, single mindedness I did not expect you to have any understanding. By the way it is the Arab countries that do not want Iran to be a nuclear power, they fear Shia Islam, this does not surprise me, considering it was Arab nations which have helped in colluding with the Americans to invade Iraq, by the way IRAN INCLUDED!!!!!!! Hassan you are indeed a hypocrite with no understanding. On the issue of Arab whores, read comments by ALISSA AND SARA, they have already answered your question, IT NOT ABOUT NOT WATCHING IT!!!!! DAH. I have never watched the two names you have mentioned, "spears", and the other one, but I am sure you have.

P.S. israel often invades lebanese air space, to most countries this is an act of war, but hey what do the Lebanese care, such a weak and patheitic country!!

carefull guys i think Samir is a Jew.

Samir i Now know why u speak about the arab singers.
And Iraq plus palestine.
You fool u say iran is a traitor after iraq iran war when the americans and some of the arabs decided to fund iraq with weapons and money to fight Iran where u there?
Wasnt it Iran who stopped the americans to use its Airspace and wasnt it against the war?
Even though Iraqs president sadam was under the americans payroll how many shia muslims has he killed?
And i guess you Know Pakistans president is in the payroll of the americans too.
You speak about the shiaas as they are not muslims too you are what i call a Fanatic muslim i think you shoul move to taliban and live there.
And u say the Lebanese are cowards who drove isreal out wasnt it Hisbollah with hand guns and greanades.
Before you enter such disscussions watch the News not the arab dance channels.
And for your information u Traitor Iran can wipe Isreal if it wants.

Hassan, you STUPIDITY astounds me!! During the Iarn and Iraq war, the Americans backed both Iran and Iraq, the American supplied weapons to both countries to fight each other. Seymour Hershe in his article also backed this up, as are now the Amercians intelligensia themselves, IT'S CALLED DIVIDE AND CONQUER!!!!!!! The Americans in 1990, gave Saddam the green light to invade Kuwait, and in 2003, Iran gave assurances to the Americans that it will facilitate the invasioj of Iraq. Quatar, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Syria helped the American to invade Iraq. See hoe the Arabs are traitors to fellow Arabs!! I have no problems with Iran, I like Iran, I have no problems with Pakistan, I like Pakistan, it's the Arabs that are the problem!! NO Iran cannot wipe Israel out, everyu political and intelligence nalyst know that. Israel has ammasses at least 250 nuclear war heads, Iran has none. Israels airforce is the strongest in the world, and the most technologically advanced, Irans airforce is weak, and no where near as advanced as israels, as well as ageing. GET REAL, WHY DO ARABS DELUDE THEMSELVES ALL THE TIME. Som many Arabs thought that Saddam could wij agaisnst the American, those with any sense realised this was unlikely, I gues I was right. Again you seem to be deluding yourself into thinking that Iran could wipe out Israel, keep deluding yourself. You do realise that israel is backed up by all the Western powers, where as Iran is not, heck it's not even vaked up by Muslim countries, just like Iraq wasn't. Now that Iran wants to be a nuclear power, after Pakistan, it is countries like Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Syria, who are opposed against it. READ BEYOND THE NEWS, IF YOU CAN!! Saudi Arabia is worried of greater Shia influence in the region should Iran go nuclear!! It amazes me how in the 21st century a strong powerful country like Iraq once was could be taken away from under the nose of the Arabs, and then subsequently butchered, and what did the Arabs do, they backed the Americans!! It also amazes me that on the coast of the red sea, how Israeli tourists are served and entertained by Arabs...how ironic, the Isaeli's are killing Muslims, and in Egypts tourist area's the citizens of israel are being served by Arabs and they are given entertainment.....that's how shit you are!!!! While Arabs are busy enetertaining israeli torists, israel is killing Muslims!! That is why Arabs are hopeless people. Yeah I know about Hezbullah, it was backed by Iran, whle the Arabs were busy killing each other in the civil war!! Hezbullah are a muslim people, they have Islam in their blood, and they would not tolerate SLUT CULTURE currently being displayed in Lebabon!! You are a MORONIC soul hassan, deluded, with little or know intelligence, avidly illustrated in the level of English you choose to write in!! One last thing, I am doing soemthing about the war, at least I am part of STOP THE WAR CAMPAIGN IN LONDON, what are you doing, so obviously you are part of WATCH THE WHORE CAMPAIGN!!! Long live IRAN, long live PAKISTAN, and the Arabs are weak pathetic backwards people!!! ALSO Lebanon belongs to SYRIA, I HOPE ONE DAY SYRIA TAKES FULL CONTROL OF THIS ARTIFICIAL STATE!!!

Samir the problem with you is that you live in an western state so the news you get there isnt entirely the truth you think you know much but all you know is full of crap.
You dont what i do and you never will you should just go and write on a cadboard and shout anti protest war.
Iran was never backed by the americans and wasnt given weapons the reason of the war was because of Iran becoming a Shiite state because of Sayed Khomeini (kw) Iran was getting weapons from their long friends the russians this seymour hershe you are talking about has no liking for iran whatsoever so dont pretend as if you know to much you are just a foolish storyteller who thinks he read it all.
The invasion kuwait was because sadam lost so much and wanted to get its reward from the saudis and Kuwaities for the war against Iran as it was promised.
But No you dont want to beleive so our problem is not the arab contries but the leaders in them.
I give you some credit that you try what you can by doing what you do at london, but its arabs like you who make us look bad you just curse the arabs as if you arent one of them in every region or contry we are not the only people who live here we have christians too so if you dont like watching arab singers sing with mini skirts dont.
And if they do so they arent whores not all who wear mini skirts and sing are whores respect your comment. You dont like it change the channel or move to afghanistan.
And about Lebanon we are not controlled by syrians they helped Hizbollah both financially and with weapons its good they left but we can never say they where bad people they helped lebanon they werent considered rulers i know they did some bad things but as you know i hope not all fingers are the same.
And hopefully one day there will be a revolution and these leaders in they payroll of america and the west will have to leave as it happened in Iran when the shah left then we will hopefully unite and will never care if i was shiite and u where sunnah.

Hassan I do live in a Western state,and I know Arabs, wheteher in the Middle East or here in the West. Just because I live in the West that does not mean I don't know what is going on around the Muslim world, we do live in an information age...you MORONIC fool!! Do you really thibk that Saddam wanted invaded Kuwait to get some kind of reward...how misinformed are you!! Saddam could even change his underpants until he got permission from the Americans. The Americans made it clear to Saddam, that should he decide to invade Kuwait, the USA wouild consider it an Arab issue!! Those are the facts, the Americans even admit to it...DO SOME RESEARCH!!!! What kind of a RETARD are you??!! What has Christians living in Muslim countries got to do with anything?? There are Jews Christians and Muslims living together in a number of Muslim countries such Iran,Morrocco, Pakistan, Tunisia, I see no problem in that, except Lebanon, where they went to civil war with each other...so much for tolerance. The second Gulf war which you have conveniantly decidied to leave out was based on the Americans gaining control of Iraq, a strategic point in the Middel East, as well as rich in Oil. Arab countries like Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and even Syria facilitaed the invasion of a fellow Arab country...don't continue to delude yourself...GET REAL!!! Iran also faciliated matters for the invasion of Iraq, since they had their own interest in wanting Saddam removed. Seymour hershe reported it, and Stratfor intelligence confirmed it!! Iran has had links with the Americans behind closed doors, they just did not make public!! Howveer like I said I like Iran...I can't stand weak pathetic useless Arab states. WHAT THE HELL MAKES YOU THINK I AM ARAB!!! I could be from Iran, why do you think I can talk about Iran and know this country better than you. The Shah was appointed by the West and removed by the West, Khomenei, was sent to Iran just at the time the Americans wanted him, Kissinger in his interview even said that we were better off by having not removed the Shah from power. AGAIN DO YOUR RESEARCH!!!! Do you really think I am some guy sitting in London, making things up as I go along, I think that is you!! Get an education if you can find a decent university in the Arab world, which is unlikely, and leave strategic analyses of this region to people who know what they re talking about!! You on the other hand are the one who is full of CRAP!!! If you think I go to rallies and hold palcarads, and that is all I do, you are not only Stupid, but very shallow, there are organisation here that are helping Iraqi's escaping their country loking for asylum, as well Afgahan refugees, and Palestinians, also numerrous others from other war torn countries. At least I know what i can do in my spare time, people like you can only talk bull shit!!! This is what Arabs are good at doing, if they don't understand sosmething, why not come yup with some CRAP!! You obviously have a degree in Bull Shit!! There is no logic in your arguement, I point out the errors of your way, I suggest you accept it, rather try and think...which you cannot do, and then come up with sheer nonsenece!! In Muslim socities Muslim men and women are required to be dressed modestly, and if women decdie to wear dresses that are revealing, ....well that is UnIslamic and contradictive to Islamic teachings. Now READ THE COMMENTS FROM ALISSA & SARA, they have answered your question about changing the channel, IF YOU CAN READ THAT IS, these are the opinions of women, who are also offended!!!! If you don't like calling them WHORES, OKAY HOW ABOUT SLUTS....SLUTS....SLUTS....Is that better??!! I don't like ARABS, I don't like what they ahve become, they are too occupied with Western decadence, I see you hae decided not to omment on the RED SEA RESORT in EGYPT, where Israeli's tourista are treated like kings and queens, with Arab waitors serving them, and only 3 miles away, Palestinians are getting butchered...this is what gets me!! Syria has been there for Lebanon, but when Hariri died, (I don't think the Syrians did it by the way), it had the hall marks of a Mossad assassination, the Lebanese cam out and more or less said "UP YOURS", Syria we want you out of here. If it wasn't for Syria, Iran, Hezbullaha, Lebanon may as well have been an extension of Israel. Oh by the way I know Beirut is a conclave of hedonism, where is the Labanese airforce, you know just in case Isarel invades your airspace drops thousands of leaflets telling Lebanese to unarm Hezbullah. Most self respecting countries would not tolerate such an action by one country to another, but I gues the Arabs in Lebanon are too busy watching whores, getting drunk, gambling and commititng other UnIslamic sins, becoming another playground for corrupt Arabs!! Again i noticed you did not comment on Iraq taken away from under the noses of the Arabs. Well Iran can put up a fight...WHY..because it's not an ARAB counrty that's why!!! Pakistan is a nuclear power...WHY because it's not an ARAB country..that's why!!! Arabs please continue on your merry pathetic ways...keep deluding youself..think your still up there with ohter nations of the world, but if the truth be told Arab countries are WEAK, PATHETIC, BACKWARDS, NON-INDUSTRIAL, THIRD WORLD..AND CORRUPT!! Hasan you represent these qualities in abundance...OH forgot SELF DELUDED!!

Samir I think your right..we as Arabs cannot allow ourselves to dilute the values of our religion, just for the sake of copying the Western nations. It is true that it's a disgrace that Arabs in Egypt entertain Israeli holiday makers, just a few miles away from Palestinian refugee camps, where Palestinian families are being bull dozed in their houses. Thanks very much for noticing what I have previously written on this subject, and people like Hassan are nothing more than time wasters with little or no understanding of the true message that some of us are trying to portray.

Well at last you commented that you werent arab thank god for that i dont thinnk you are a muslim either you must be a jew as long as you hate arabs that mush listen here Mr Full of shit i said earlier the arab countries are mostly being controlled by their leaders who are in the payroll of the american and as i said one day there will be a revolution and out they go egypts president is actually one of americas allies for why will they leave him to rule for years not ending the problem with the arabs in poor counttries are fighting their own war by trying to get their daily bread while in the rich arab countrires the rich people want to stay rich but the poor people there dont have a say there.
But as you know you deluded fool that lebanon has christians not only muslims so we cant say they should bow to our own rules even god said that if they hurt you not let them be.
If lebanon were only muslims it would have become a muslim country but we have numerous religion there and the presidency is for the christians we have an understanding there but america and isreal are trying their best to spoil this relationship but hopefully they wont.
Stop saying arabs serve jews let them come to lebanon and see how we serve them.
You say u are maye Iranian then you are one of the black sheeps who ran from iran when the shah left go back there and give these your opinions and belive me you will burnt in a stick.
If you dont now the reality about irans war and iraq dont pretend you do dumbo because iran was never backed in the iraqi war they were even sanctioned by that time and they made the west suffer as no ship could pass their sea anyone that passed was sunk.
So stop giving me bullshit you obviously dont know what you are talking about.
Better change schools and learn the truth about iran.
The Shah wasnt removed from power as kissinger said they had no other choice because of the revolution who would have been killed and as i said you listen only to the western news you have been brainwashed i tried my best to put you on the right track,but no way you are what i call a traitor to your country and people and even your religion dont go talking about singers wake up and understand what the west is doing to you u are living in a dream world.
With u i rest my case because you dont want to learn the truth.
Imam Ali (pbuh) said i argued with a dump person so he won me why because he didnt want to here the truth only what he wants to believe so talking to u is really a waste of time.

Your writing , but its all ALL BULL SHIT of the HIGHEST CALIBRE. There is no logic in any of your arguements, you dismiss actual facts and live in your own pathetic state of being. SARA said you are A WASTE OF TIME AND I WHOLE HEARTEDLY AGREE WITH HER. I am A Muslim, and who said I was from Iran, you certainly like to assume, don't you, obviously have trouble reading. I don't have to live in the Middle East all the time to know what is going on, like I said we do live in an information age....you HYPOCRITE!!!!Lebanon is a waste of space in the world, it belongs to SYRIA, and the Lebanese with their crappy cafe culture, still slaves to their colonial past, picking and choosing what things they wish to practice from their religion and leaving things behind that they don't like, you Pathetic Lebanese make me sick!!! Labanese are nothing more than part-time Msulims!! I talked about how Israeli's are getting treated in Egypt, not Lebanon you STUPID HYPOCRITICAL DEAD HEADED BRAINLESS FOOL!!!!The so-called cedar revolution it was CIA inspired, even Lebanese analysts here on a political programme said so!! Now you obviously like to contradict yourself, you say I am being brainwashed here in the West, then why am I so critical of the West....can your usless brain figure that out!! Of course there so many things I have said, but you so conveniently decide not to coment on them....that's how pathetic you are!!! Of course I know Lebanon is mixed, but that does not mean one should accept SLUT CULTURE!!! Don't be so bloody inward minded, and look at the wider picture...I am talking about the whole of the Middle East, not just the useless state of Lebanon!! Who said I was from Iran, but I am a Muslim, don't dare start making things up, and assuming....may be it is you who is a jew, or a zionist, or even a heretic!!! Well done SARA, you are right talking to this RETARD is indeed a waste of time, he is DELUDED, comments on things he doesn't not understand, and knows nothing about history. He talks about the Iran revolution, this was CIA inspired, Khomenei resided in Paris, this is where the French and the Americans planned the revolution because the Shah was making Iran into a powerful country, this was not what the USA wanted, just liike now with the whole nuclear debacle, and so Khomenei was sent in for the Islamic revolution. However when Khomenei came to power he was not going to be a puppet of the Amercians, this is where the Americans miscalculated, and the whole iran contra affair had started. Now the Americans want another regime change in Iran, and there are plans to use Bases in around Pathetic Arab countries from which to attack Iran, so therefore Iran has only itself to rely on, may be Pakistan could help in the background, but one thing we all know DO NOT TRUST THE USELESS ARABS!!! The Arabs are only good for one thing BACK STABBING fellow Muslims, no wonder the Turks hate Arabs so much, after what happened to them nearing the end of the Ottoman empire, how the Arabs double crossed them!! Howvver SHIT HEADS like you won't understand all this, typical of an Arab, dismiss something you have no unnderstanding of!!! By the way I like Iran, I like Ahmedinejed,I like Iran I like the Iranian government, and NO I did not like the Shah, as you accused me of, you bloody retard!! but if the American strike, and they use Arabs countries from which to launch strikes, I hope that Iran goes after these countries in a big way. However I fear the worst, Iran simply is not strong enough to face both America and Israel. LONG LIVE IRAN, LONG LIVE EVERY OTHER MUSLIM COUNTRY, AND TO arabs like Hassan GET LOST, you USLESS PATHETIC EXCUSE FOR A HUMAN BEING!!

Hassan why don't you move to Afghanistan, I have no reason to be jealous, but I do not accept women coming on televison and behaving so provocativley, this has nothing to do with moving anywhere like Afghanistan, but if you like this type of culture, why not live in Amsterdam, where you will fit right in with all the other pimps like you!! Better why not visit some strip joint where poeple like you like to reside in. I don't think you are A Muslim, probably a Jew, or an Infidel of some sort, you obviously like to accus people, but I think it is clear that you are nothing more than phoney..SO GO AND FIND SOME OTHER FORUM for your uninteliigent analyses and views..GOOD BYE!!

"I say to you for the last time leave Arab singers alone", Who the hell do you think you are?? Hassan you are a nobody with your own views just like everyone of us, how dare you give an ultimatum about "careful", who gives a shit what you say, its just your opinion, GET OVER YOURSELF, talk about being up yourself!!! You stuck up nobody!!!

During the Lebanon civil war, Arab Christian militia's worked with the Isareli army to combat the Islamic forces such as Hezbullah. In fact the Labanese Christian Militia worked along side Israel to kill and torture Labanese Muslims, which means Hassan you are wrong when you said that we did not serve Israel, various Christian Militia did. One of the main reasons Israel so deparately wanted a Christian government was to have Chritians in power and make Lebanon a country that was more aligned and sympathetic to Israel, this could only work if Muslims were kept out of power. Thanks to Hezbullah, and the backing of the Syrians, and the Iranians, we thwarted Israels and various Christian lebanese factions plans. Then we chucked Syria out to the Americans and Israels appreciation, so much for Arab unity, and well....I DON'T THINK THE COUNRTY IS STILL VERY STABLE.

Samir...you have a point to some extent, I am from pakistan, and over here we have had this huge problem with our nuclear weapons the Americans are bugging us over Abdul Qadir Khan who was the father of our nuclear program, and the Americans accused him of running a nuclear black market, in other words supplying nuclear technology and know how to other countries. The trueth is that A.Q. Khan could not have done this without the Pakistani government being fuly involved. The Americans however took this as an opportunity to pressure Pakistan. Pakistan said to the Americans that they will not give up their nuclear weapons, they have a right to have them. Paistan supplied Iran and Libya with centrifuge technology, Iran kept Pakistan's secret, yet the LIBYANS, told the I.A.E.A everything regarding Pakistan's involvement in supplying them nuclear centifuge technology!! In other words THEY STABBED PAKISTAN IN THE BACK by telling the American's and the I.A.E.A everything. Iran to this day has kept quiet, yet it is the ARAB LIBYANS who at a drop of a hat put Pakistan right in it. So to a point Samir Arabs are indeed back stabbers, and the Libyans are not liked in Pakistan at all, they are consiedered traitors.

This reply is mostly for Samir the nut cracker i just hope that you elongated shithead decide on who the hell or from we the hell are you from then you said you maybe iranian and then maybe arab i really dont give a rat shit where you are from dont go talking about arabs or mostly the lebanese people who have been fighting most of their lives defending not only their lives but just to make sure they live another day.
you asswipe think you know the arabs you dont know shit you just read your useless western news and guess what is happening i nor the arabs need to prove shit to you cause you are a deluded fool and i bet my life on it that you are a bloody jew.
Dont say long live iran when you dont mean it or pretend that you like them cause if you did you would know the past about iran and not follow this shitty imagination that america took the shah out and they gave weapons to iran in the iraki war now u just sead that sayed khomeini (kw) was sent by the americans and then he made a revolution.
First dushbag the revolution started before he came he just gave it strength and if he had somekind of agreement or they hoped so and he didnt do so then why will they give him weapons dont tell me the shit of devide and concour because the americans wanted iran destroyed.
Make your bloody mind up on who and what writing long stories wont help u a bit so go and read the truth about the western nations and the arab nations not because the arab leaders mostly are in the american pay roll means that the people like it but their fight is for survival to live the other day or to feed but the rich arabs who have the money they dont want to be eqaul and as i said before not all fingers are the same if you dont know what it means ask someone dildo.
Jon i accept your comment somehow but remeber not all the christians where loyal to isreal we have some good and sadly some that are bad like for instance like in some western states the people dont like their leaders because they are against what they do to the arabs and some of them like it that doesnt mean anywhere we see a foreigner from these lousy countries means we must judge him because he or she isnt an arab or a muslim.
Alissa you are a lost cause if you are so good and clean what are you doing in this site isnt it something to do with porn maybe you are a lesbian and heard about this site and was hoping to see nelly naked so that you make your day.
As i said before and i will say it again you are jealus of arab girls who look pretty because i guess you aint.
Move to Afghanistan.

Hasssan , you have absolutley no idea what you are talking about, so full of crap as always. The Americans overthrew an elected leader of Iran , to bring in the Shah, they then comissioned Khomenei, to become the de-facto leader of Iran. You have no understanding of history, or politics, so full of crap are you may be it is you who needs a dildo!! Arabs are backwards, deleuded like yourself, and Lebanon is a shit hole full of people like you, Alissa was right move to Amsterdam you bloody pimp!! You are not cultured you call yourself a Muslim, but are happy to accept unIslamic practices. Malik was right Arabs are back stabbers, Alissa was right you are a pathetic fool, go to hell and rot!!, and Jon was right your are WRONG!! you deleuded piece of shite!! See everyone thinks you are a retarded piece of dog manure....so get lost and stop contradicting yourself. I may be from Iran, may be not, I did not say either way, however you assumed, which only shows your limited understanding and zero intelligence!! May be you are the one who is a JEW!!! personally I think your sub-human!! Alissa has no reason to be jealous, she like the rest of us do not want Islamic values diluted, by these sluts. Try if you can to see the bigger picture, this is not just about the discussion about your shitty Lebanon, but the whole of the Middle East...MORON!! Saddam invaded some islands of Iran thus causing the Iran-Iraq, war, that would not have happened if it was not for an Arab leader, Saddam then went to invade Kuwait, strating the first gulf war, so much for Arab brotherhood, and then 9/11 happened, and America had the perfect excuse to unleash the war of terror, and this brought right in the heart of the Middle East in a big way, and into Afghanistan , and closer to Pakistan, with an eye on their nuclear weapons, all thanks to Arab stupidity. The Arabs have given Muslims in the whole world the label of terrorists. Is it amusing that Pakistan helpes Iran and Libya, yet Iran keeps quiet, and the Arabs in Libya tell the Americans everything....how typical of an Arab, BACK STABBERS INDEED!!! Malik was right!! You on the other hand you bloody dickless piece of crap are wrong!! Living in the West has nothing to do with getting biased news, you can get information from many sources, geography is no longer an obstacle, but I don't expect you to understand...because you are nothing more than in you own words a "dildo"!! Eveyone in this forum who have commeted have nothing positive to say about you, take a hint, retard....GET LOST!! Your comments are deemed stupid, and of no analytical value!! Jon you are right, after all Syria had done, the Lebanes threw them out, and the only major bendefactors were Israel and the USA, who wanted Syria out in the first place, so faoir point to you Jon, at least you can see Arab duplicity. Alissa I know you are not jealous, we msulims do not want Islamic values diluted, and what Sra said earlier on is very true. Malik, may Pakistan continue on their merry way to developing as many nuclear weapons as they can, LONG LIVE THE MUSLIM WORLD, and Lebanon hope someday you will cease to exist and become part of Syria, where you belong!!

Hassan you are making blanket statements, you have no idea what Alissa or anyone of us look like so stop passing judgments on people. This forum caters for many subjects, and not just this one, which has nothing to do with porn just slutty women who protitute their bodies!! You seem to be very narrow minded, the subject in nquestion is talking about the Arab world, and is not about one or two countries. Personally I think as Arabs, we have failed, industrially, economically, technologically. Compared top other countries, we are very behind. I base this on some research that I have been doing. An example is take Spain, which is not that technologically advnaced compared other western nations, yet the whole of Spain alone buys more books than the whople of the muslim countries put together! That is some statistic. Spain, just one country buys more books than all of the sixty or more Muslmims countries put together, this says that we are behind in terms of education, and our universities are lagging even further behind. We can open all the night clubs in the world, have tourist resorts, even allow for sluts to fill our television screens, but that just shows that we are only becoming morally bankrupt and further from our values that islam has taught us. We should really industrialise, and invest more in IT etc.

Hassan you should be a spokesmen for the KINESSIT!!!This is where JEWS like you belong... The only thing I have seen you write is CRAP!!! You come out with a lot of foul language, have little to say of any subtance, and then you contradict yourself by teling Jon that some Labenese colluded with Israel, which means that we did serve their purpose, and now we have chucked the Syerians out, Israel and the USA must be laughing, we have done their worlk for them. Get an understanding of Arab history before you post next time. The fact that 19 Hijackers were Arab, shows how far we have come from our religious values. Arabs killing Arabs and other Muslims, we have very little to be proud of in these dark times.

I agree with Samir...Arabs are BACK STABBERS,

Hassan I think your UGLY, and what you say is a pile of B*LL SH*T! Your a pimp with no respect for women...

Hassan, here is an idea move to some backward dead end counrty, your no ARAB, because if you were you would not talk badly about fellow Arab women on this forum, so climb under a rock, from where you crawled from, and rot!

I think I will rest my case, Hassan your an ass wipe!!

Hassan is a pimp everyone and sleeps around with prostitutes, no wonder he can't take criticism of whores, he sleeps around with them. He is obviously so hideous that he needs to pay to have sex, because that is the kind of loser he is!!!

Well well it seems i have drawn some admirers this reply is only for those who commented.
No 1 Samir what can i call you how about a retard and a full covered peace of shit i am not talking about iran before the shah stop talking about politics when you know no shit about it.
And to the rest of you i guess you are the jews if you have nothing else to say that the arabs are backstabbers the lebaneses will cease to exsist you can make the lebanese to cease existant syria is not lebanon it only helped a bit financially it was the lebanese who fought and kicked isreal out you deluded fools are pissed and jealous from the lebanese cause like it or not we are strong not like you dim whips we kicked isreal out and dont you speak about the shhite because they are the ones in iran and they are the ones in lebanon who fought isreal i am not going to be idiots like you and critisize my fellow muslim brother whether he is sunnah or shiite so you morons cant take it because a small country like lebanon kicked isreals ass.
And to these girls who called me a pimp because i was defending arab singers then if they want they should send me their pictures so that i can get them clients but let them be sure to go and get an extreme makeover before they send their pictures because surely i know now they must be fat and ugly and has never had an admirer before.

i will admit i slept with alissa but she is to far and ugly i didnt want to hurt her feelings so i advice the guys dont go through that ordeal

Tasmin i know you are pissed from me because when i left your apartment in the morning i promised to call but didnt you shouldnt take it personnal.

Well well well!!, looks Hassan to me after all your are indeed a fu*ckin user of whores, you finally admit it. So no wonder you are quick to defend SLUTS!! To put an end to your pathetic views on the the world, I have this to say, Muslims whether Shite or Sunni, are Muslims, and not ALL governments of Muslim countries are on the payroll as you put, because pakistan became a nuclear power, and it could not have done so if America controled their policy. Syria is not on the Amrerican payroll, yet voted on sanctioons against Iraq. At a time when Arabs should be united, the Labanese threw the Syrians out, and judging by the demonstrations , otherwise known as the Cedar revolution, if they can throw the Syrians out, they can also have the power to change governments within their own country! Syria leaving Lebanon is just one small step in dismantling Arab unity in the region, and this has only further strengthened Israel ands the United States.Now there are calls within Lebanon itself for the dismantling of Hezbullah, and unarming it. You do not have to be smart to realise who is conspiring this move. It can only benefit two couintries, you have guessed it, Israel and America!!! Iran is not an Arab country so should never have been part of this debate in the first place, however the debate surrounded the duplicity of Arab states, and their weakness compared to the rest of the world, and I like to take this moment to appreciate the views oF Alissa, Sara, Tasmin, Malik, Jon, Mel, and Te-Jay. I am glad you have all understood the message that was portrayed to you and have seen through the corruption of so many Arab states. To people like Hassan, THE PILE OF SHIT, this is a clear message to you GET LOST WE DON'T LIKE YOU, WE DON'LIKE YOUR STUPID VIEWS, AND GO FIND ANOTHER PROSTITUTE TO SPEND A NIGHT WITH, YOU PATHETIC LOSER!!!

Alissa, and Tasmin, ignore Hassan, he has obviously lost the plot, knows not what he is talking about. Many people undrestands what you are saying, and many agree, but to RETARDS, like Hassan, who is really a Jew, best to ignore the Moronic retard!!

Samir samir samir or is shamon or shamir you bloody jew up till now you are hiding your identity is it because you are scared to admit that you are a jew. Still you talk about the arab world what is syria doing wrong you said it voted to make sanctions on who wasnt it to a murderer sadam hussein i guess you like him and so please i guess i should condole you for the death of zarqawi your hero who kills thousands of muslim womed and kids to injure an american syria helped lebanon and we thank them but it was time to leave lebanon and we are still friends with them only some of the lebanese who are a number only in parliment but as for the people you watched when sayad hassan nasr allah called them out to thank the syrians i think you saw the numbers.
So stop about politics nobody defeated isreal accept the lebanese they think twice about attacking you remember the last time they attacked 500 missiles landed in isreal in an hour.
So dont talk about lebanon when you arent even worth a goat in lebanon chipmunk.
And about me sleeping with whores you said i confirmed it well all i said was i slept with alissa and tasmin if they are condsidered whores to you then i have no comment.
HA HA HA HA.

Hassan you bloody implotenet perverted pieced of dog shit, I said you sleep with women, I did not say you slept with Alissa or tasmin, so I guess YES that does make you one UGLY basta*d!!!!!!Lebanon defeated Israel, NO HEZBULLAH DEFEATED ISRAEL THANKS TO SYRIA AND IRAN, and you pathetic JEW, go watch some whores and sluts in some strip joint where pimps like you readily pick up prostitutes!!! AS for sending 500 missiles, what utter crap!! do you have a source for this?? Tell me why does Israel continually violate your air space, and you cannot do anything about it. Where is your airforce?? Why are thousands of leaflets dropped on Lebanon telling Lebanese to disarm Hezbullah?? surely in most countries violation of airspace means an act of war, but in Lebanon, this all goes unapeaded.Why are so many Labanese asking for the break up of Hezbullah, the very people who probably saved Lebanon!! Why did you throw Syria out, surely this is what the Israeli's wanted as well as the Americans, you did there dirty work for them!! Who killed Hariri?? Why are Egytptians and Jordanians Arabs SERVING ISRAELI TOURISTS WHEN ONLY A FEW MILES AWAY PALESTINIANS ARE BEING KILLED!!!?? Why is that everyone on this forum thinks youre are an outright Jewish bastard!!! If you can argue your case rather than making a pile bull shit up then argue otherwise if you can't Fu*ck off!!

p.s. your are not worth goat shit in lebanon!!!!!

Samir you are right in some ways and those Israeli's do violate our space frequently. We can fight Israel on land, but are helpless when it comes to air power, unless we use land to air missiles. There are many Christian Labenese who want Hezbullah destroyed, which shows that there still exists a degree of tension between ethnic and religious groups. It is true we do not have a proud history clouded by the civil war. Hassan please provide the source where it says that 500 missiles landed in Israel. I believe we have done the work for Israel and America, in that we have told the Syrians to leave our land, this has mainly benefited Israel and the US, and shows what a divided people we are. In many ways being a Muslim living in Lebanon, the wave of music videos are indeed unislamic, this is due to secularization of our society, or as I like to call Satanisation! Whetheer you are Muslim or Christian, these music videos go agaainst the values of both religions, and no proper Muslim, with the exception of Hassan, would condone such behaviour, although reading what Hassan has written about fellow Muslims on this forum, I doubt he is indeed either from Lebanon or is a Muslim. You simply do not make fictional nonsense about sleeping around with Muslim women, this is not what Muslim men would write about. Iraq was indeed taken away from under us, and it just shows how shameful our state of affairs is. Syria did vote on the security council against Iraq in 2003, this is well documented, because the Syrians thought they would gaion favour with the Americans, and that only proved wrong. You cannot make deals with the devil.

Zarqawi, was an Arab who killed Arabs, which is what Samir has been saying all along, that Arabs are there own worst enemies, and there is no unity among them. ARABS KILL ARABS in Iraq !! Hassan ..talk about CONTRADICTING YOURSELF!

Why don't you Fu*ck off Hassan, you make up so much crap, you are nothing but a liar. I have read what others have written and what crap you have written, you just make things up. Alissa, and all the others you write about, it is pure lies, so as Samir said and many others, F OFF! Your no Arab! or a Muslim!

I'M telling yah guys this Hassan or whoever he really is, is nothing more than an Israeli spokesman, who else would ridicule Muslim women in the way he has. This guy is probably writing from Israel, a member of the Kinessit or a member of APAC. I have never heard of someone coming up with such ficticious BULL SHIT! Man does this guy know how to talk crap.

Hi Samir, Just wanted to let you know that I am also a member of " Stop the War Campaign", and hope that we will work avidly to stop the death of more Muslims around the world. I hope you will be at our next meeting, regarding Iran. Any way take care....hope to see you then.

is it T-jay or Kel or Tk these are the imaginiary friends of samir these are you creation i can just come up and write ef or fe or shit head or bloody jew i can make up names to you know stop patronising your self you are saying zarqawi is an arab asswipe dont you know that arab doesnt mean that it is only a muslim religion just like being from europe doesnt mean you have to be a christian you talk like a fool zarqawi isnt a muslim he is a fanatic jew pretending to be a muslim because a muslim doesnt kill his fellow brother isnt there americans who think that only white people are true christians why dont u speak about them or did an arab kick you lousy ass and u feel like revenge that you talk about them when hiding asshole.
The arabs are targeted all over the world because they are muslims but christians to suffered by jews and Druz in palestine and in lebanon.
So listen here samir or is it sharon to you and your followers stop talking about arabs and lebanese because you live in england and hold meetings that is bullshit go and see how the arabs are suffering from their leaders who as you know are in the payrolls of the americans and from the americans.
And if you think that only the arabs have bad eggs then you yourself must be a jew retard.
Even the jews have people in their own who isnt happy about what their goverment is doing so everywhere there are good and bad but in your own case if all your people are good then you need help ilongated shithead.So whether this Tk or whatever u call yourselves but i know these are your imaginiary friends created by you eat shit.

Jon i didnt say muslim people go and sleep all over with women it is when samir imaginiary frien alissa said i was defending the musicians she called hooker and she said i was a pimp and i go sleeping with women i told then if so i must have slept with her for saying so.
Enough with that part we do have christians against hezbullah but we still have a lot backing hezbullah you have general Aoun you have Frangiyet and i know a lot of christians who really are gratefull for hezbollahs work and dont forget that isnt only for the muslims if we think every christian is an enemy we cant live in this world.
About the syrians i said nothing wrong about them they helped hezbollah and they helped keep the stability in lebanon but now they left i think it is good for us and we and some christians thanked syria for this when sayed hassan nasr allah called for the people to come out and thank syria you must have seen that.
We in lebanon or in any arab country has the planes to fight isreal but as you said on land we can fight them and by hezbollah driving them out proved it.
About the 500 Katushas that were fired to isreal was even recent when the 2 palestinians who where killed in sour then an anonymous source threw to rockets at isreal. Isreal was boming the palestine camps in sour and other areas in south lebanon then Hizbullah retaliated by shooting 500 katushas at isreal and that was done in a hour it was said in Al manar thats what stopped the isrealis because they lost 2 isreali soldiers and had some wounded but as you know they never give the right story in isreal.
Samir is always abusing arabs and calling the lebanese cowards if that is ok with you then surely you arent lebanese or arab.
About the singers let them talk about their own if they dont like the channel let them change it but because they where short skirts that doesnt make them whores i know it is wrong they will pay the price at the end we cant judge them the world isnt for us only or lebanon we have other cultures.

Hassan you deleuded piece of ass wipe, I think now you have really lost the plot. You can't handle that other people think you are a complete ass hole. Living in London I am doing a hell more than your stupid ass in Lebanon! Jon was right your no Arab,as was Mel,Alissa, and all the others, T-Jay , Kel and the rest. So why don't you fuck off, you bloody Jew. My arguement has always been Arabs are not strong enough, and they should better equip themselves in order to confront the likes of Israel. Jon also agreed in that there is not a single arab airforce that is strong enough to combat Israel. What is even more surprising is that no ARAB country has submarines, a vital component to any military machine. This is what I meant by saying ARABS SHOULD WAKE UP!! You still have not answered my question regarding why Israeli tourists are treated like kings and queens in the holiday resorts of Egypt and Jordan, when only a couple of miles of way Palestianians are being killed!! Jon and I are both in agreement that Syria leaving Lebanon has greatly benefited Israel, and that Israel violates Lebanese airspace frequently. With regards to what I said about an intellect culture well Mel has already put that to rest. You have lost every arguement going, and now all you can do is whine. Even when talking about the slut culture, many on this forum agree that this is wrong, and dilutes cultural values. You only have to read what Sara has written ,Munir, and Will as well as several others. So your arguement about changing the channel simply does not wash! We don't need sluts and whores as role models, this is exactly what is happening here in the West where young girls copy Britney spears, who does her best to be well... slutty! Families here in the West are being eroded, due primarily to lack of religious observance, divorce rates are sky rocketing, and religion plays no role in society, this is not what most of us want in Muslim socieites. Jon was correct to point out that secularization is indeed satanisation!! The fact that Israel does what it wants in the Middle East is cause for concern to thge whole Arab world, and what is more daunting Jon is that Israel is the sole nuclear power, and no Arab country can come close to matching it. I firmly believe that the only military power that handle isra;le is Iran and Pakistan, but Iran could be significantly weakened if attacked by America and Israel, and ewhat is even more frustrating is that Arabs countries will be used as bases. In a similar way Qatar was used to attack Iraq. With regards to Kel, yes Zarqawi did kill may Iraqi's, in fact he killed more Iraqi's than the allied forces, I just don't see the point of kiling men looking for Jobs, even if they are for civil services, and I too was shocked to see the bombing of the Jordanian wedding! This only goes and proves my point that there is no unity, and Arabs seem to be killing Arabs. So in effect going back to you Jon, the Muslim world is living under a very heavy black cloud.

Yasmin I have been on the website, and received an e-mail about it only yesterday....look forward to it...take care.

All you do is whine samir arabs this arabs that and you say arabs serve the jews in egypt and jordan well these to countries are being controlled by leaders who bow down to americans dont you hear about the killing of tourists what doed that tell you that the people like them i told you you f**cking Quare that the people have their own war to fight and that is their daily bread and i am not from there because i am lebanese but i dont judge all the arabs becuase we have bad people in them so piss off jew there is no way you are going to get what you want by letting me abuse the arabs because of a jew like you and regarding syria as i said we thank them for their help and they are my brothers and in case you forgot asshole they are arabs.
And stop faking people to pretend that people get your point jew.
And about Arab singers i have already stated my view you dont like it go and off a bridge.

All I do is whine....fu*k off a*s hole, in case you don't know that is your new name!! Don't use my words, get a fu*kin vocab!! Jewish dog turd!! Zarqawi is a fanatic, listen bitch...he is a fuckin Arab who killed more Arabs!! You bastard, don't you understand anything..gay fucking gigolo!! What is the point of killing innocent tourists arse hole..tell me that!! The whole case of argueing the case for Egyptian and Jordanian tourists serving Israeli's is that you just don''t do that if Palestinians are dying across the border!!!!!! IT IS A CASE FOR bread YOU ARGUE, WELL I AM SURE THAT THEY CAN EARN MONEY SERVING TORURISTS FORM OTHER COUNTIRES, they don't have to be thousands Israeli tourists who readily go to the red sea resorts. As for your shitty arguement about leaders on pay roll, let's put an end to that right now. Point one, Pakistan is America's ally, ...yet it is a Nuclear power!! Point two, during the reign of the Shah in Iran, he was also an American ally, but the Americans were the first to supply Iran's very first nuclear power reactor!! Point three, During 2003, Turkey a Nato member, an ally of America and Israel, did not allow American Jets to take off from its airbases, why you ask, because of the show of public disatisfaction with the war!! Pakistan was also asked to have its bases used to attack Iraq, Pakistan also declined, why becasue of public pressure, it would hsave caused an outcry!! So why did Saudi Arabia behind the scenes allow for bases inside their country to be used, why did Qatar allow for bases to be used, why did Bahrain allow bases to be used, why did Kuwait allow for bases to be used???? So it is not about being on a payroll as you somewhat simply put it!! As Jon pointed out earlier Syria is not an American ally, yet it voted on the security council for sanctions inorder to gain favour with the Americans. NOW FOR ARAB WHORES, who gives a fuck about your views they count for shit. Before you even joined the forum, it was clear that it was not about changing the channel, but the much bigger picture of CULTURE!!! If you have only bothered to read, MUNIR, had already answered your question about changing the bloody channel. Sara made the point about the wrong signal it sends to young girls, as media is a powerful influencing force!! ALISSA was already on thius forum, thus not a fictional chracter as you crudely put it, and had already stated her views.Then your came along writing you bull shit about how jelaous Alissa might be, and even made comments about her appearance, which you had no right to. I can only asume you did this because a piece of shit like you finds it hard to write decent comments and actually make an arguement!! If we take your logic about switching the channel, then as people have already commented, why not have Playboy magazine distributed in the Middle East, and those who want to buy it can, and those are offended by it, don't have to. Heck lets have strip clubs, you already did once, I think it was called the Crazy horse club, and those who want to visit it, can , and those who don't, don't have to. In which case what difference is it between the Godless West and the Muslim world. Using women in music video's in the way they are used is I think most people in this forum agree WRONG!!, and it may start with music video's then it will go on to magazines, bill boards, neewspapers, until it is part of mainstream culture! Women's bodies are not for sale, that is why ISLAM puts great emphasis on women, because they are our wives, mothers, daughters, and not sex objects for the pleasure of just any man!! The one thing Arab societies had going was the chastity of their women, and these music video's are designed to cheapen women, and Muslims do not want Muslim women put up for sale, let's keep their dignity!! As for your other arguement that I am jew, you dumb son of a bitch!! Why do you think that I want Arabs to wake up so that they can confront Israel, why do you think I want Iran to be a nuclear power, so that it can restore balance or some parity with Israel. Why am I part of STOP THE WAR CAMPAIGN, because I do not want innocent Iraqi's and Palestinians killed, and I certainly do not want Iranians dying in the next war that is going to happen!! I am argueing that ARABS SHOULD RISE UP AND BECOME POWERFUL COUNTRIES. At the moment Arab countries are economically backwards, militarily weak, industrially non-existent, and no where near AS STRONG AS ISAREL!! Why Arab countries signed the N.P.T. TREATY, when Arab governments knew theat Israel had the bomb!! Why are education levels some of the lowest in the world, even in oil rich states, education is not given its due consideration, and if you do not have education, you do not have development!! These are issues that Muslims must address, and as a Muslim I am concerned, so I don't need an arse hole like you coming up with crap on this forum all the time...so FUCK OFF!!! Zaqwawi you argue is a fanatic, well may be he is, there again many poeple have otheir own views on fanaticism, some say that Iranians are fanatics, others say the Taliban are fanatics, there are even some people who think Hezbullah are fanatics, Saudi's are sometimes considered fanatics, as are Pakistani's. Bin laden is considered a fanatic, to some poeple all this may be the copmplete oppsoite and these poeple could be also called true Muslims....everyone has their version of fanaticism OR WHAT DEFINES IT. All I have to say to that is Zarqawi wheteher a Muslim or not, is from Jordan an Arab country, and he too was an ARAB, WHO IN IRAQ KILLED FELLOW ARABS!!!! Pakistan though it was helping fellow muslim countries so they provided them with nuclear technology, the countries were Iran and Libya, why did Libya tell the Americans everything regarding Pakistan's involvenment, yet Iran has kept quiet?? This gave Pakistan great trouble, according to Malik, this is what I mean by Arab duplicity, you only have to ask the Turks, how they hate the ARABS, for preciisley this reason. Much of your pathetic and somewhat feeble arguements have been answered, and most people have simply disagreed with you, and if you can't handle that, then this is something you and your dick will have to handle, because you are nothing more than a wa*ker, so fu*ck off!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

All I do is whine....fu*k off a*s hole, in case you don't know that is your new name!! Don't use my words, get a fu*kin vocab!! Jewish dog turd!! Zarqawi is a fanatic, listen bitch...he is a fuckin Arab who killed more Arabs!! You bastard, don't you understand anything..gay fucking gigolo!! What is the point of killing innocent tourists arse hole..tell me that!! The whole case of argueing the case for Egyptian and Jordanian tourists serving Israeli's is that you just don''t do that if Palestinians are dying across the border!!!!!! IT IS A CASE FOR bread YOU ARGUE, WELL I AM SURE THAT THEY CAN EARN MONEY SERVING TORURISTS FORM OTHER COUNTIRES, they don't have to be thousands Israeli tourists who readily go to the red sea resorts. As for your shitty arguement about leaders on pay roll, let's put an end to that right now. Point one, Pakistan is America's ally, ...yet it is a Nuclear power!! Point two, during the reign of the Shah in Iran, he was also an American ally, but the Americans were the first to supply Iran's very first nuclear power reactor!! Point three, During 2003, Turkey a Nato member, an ally of America and Israel, did not allow American Jets to take off from its airbases, why you ask, because of the show of public disatisfaction with the war!! Pakistan was also asked to have its bases used to attack Iraq, Pakistan also declined, why becasue of public pressure, it would hsave caused an outcry!! So why did Saudi Arabia behind the scenes allow for bases inside their country to be used, why did Qatar allow for bases to be used, why did Bahrain allow bases to be used, why did Kuwait allow for bases to be used???? So it is not about being on a payroll as you somewhat simply put it!! As Jon pointed out earlier Syria is not an American ally, yet it voted on the security council for sanctions inorder to gain favour with the Americans. NOW FOR ARAB WHORES, who gives a fuck about your views they count for shit. Before you even joined the forum, it was clear that it was not about changing the channel, but the much bigger picture of CULTURE!!! If you have only bothered to read, MUNIR, had already answered your question about changing the bloody channel. Sara made the point about the wrong signal it sends to young girls, as media is a powerful influencing force!! ALISSA was already on thius forum, thus not a fictional chracter as you crudely put it, and had already stated her views.Then your came along writing you bull shit about how jelaous Alissa might be, and even made comments about her appearance, which you had no right to. I can only asume you did this because a piece of shit like you finds it hard to write decent comments and actually make an arguement!! If we take your logic about switching the channel, then as people have already commented, why not have Playboy magazine distributed in the Middle East, and those who want to buy it can, and those are offended by it, don't have to. Heck lets have strip clubs, you already did once, I think it was called the Crazy horse club, and those who want to visit it, can , and those who don't, don't have to. In which case what difference is it between the Godless West and the Muslim world. Using women in music video's in the way they are used is I think most people in this forum agree WRONG!!, and it may start with music video's then it will go on to magazines, bill boards, neewspapers, until it is part of mainstream culture! Women's bodies are not for sale, that is why ISLAM puts great emphasis on women, because they are our wives, mothers, daughters, and not sex objects for the pleasure of just any man!! The one thing Arab societies had going was the chastity of their women, and these music video's are designed to cheapen women, and Muslims do not want Muslim women put up for sale, let's keep their dignity!! As for your other arguement that I am jew, you dumb son of a bitch!! Why do you think that I want Arabs to wake up so that they can confront Israel, why do you think I want Iran to be a nuclear power, so that it can restore balance or some parity with Israel. Why am I part of STOP THE WAR CAMPAIGN, because I do not want innocent Iraqi's and Palestinians killed, and I certainly do not want Iranians dying in the next war that is going to happen!! I am argueing that ARABS SHOULD RISE UP AND BECOME POWERFUL COUNTRIES. At the moment Arab countries are economically backwards, militarily weak, industrially non-existent, and no where near AS STRONG AS ISAREL!! Why Arab countries signed the N.P.T. TREATY, when Arab governments knew theat Israel had the bomb!! Why are education levels some of the lowest in the world, even in oil rich states, education is not given its due consideration, and if you do not have education, you do not have development!! These are issues that Muslims must address, and as a Muslim I am concerned, so I don't need an arse hole like you coming up with crap on this forum all the time...so FUCK OFF!!! Zaqwawi you argue is a fanatic, well may be he is, there again many poeple have otheir own views on fanaticism, some say that Iranians are fanatics, others say the Taliban are fanatics, there are even some people who think Hezbullah are fanatics, Saudi's are sometimes considered fanatics, as are Pakistani's. Bin laden is considered a fanatic, to some poeple all this may be the copmplete oppsoite and these poeple could be also called true Muslims....everyone has their version of fanaticism OR WHAT DEFINES IT. All I have to say to that is Zarqawi wheteher a Muslim or not, is from Jordan an Arab country, and he too was an ARAB, WHO IN IRAQ KILLED FELLOW ARABS!!!! Pakistan though it was helping fellow muslim countries so they provided them with nuclear technology, the countries were Iran and Libya, why did Libya tell the Americans everything regarding Pakistan's involvenment, yet Iran has kept quiet?? This gave Pakistan great trouble, according to Malik, this is what I mean by Arab duplicity, you only have to ask the Turks, how they hate the ARABS, for preciisley this reason. Much of your pathetic and somewhat feeble arguements have been answered, and most people have simply disagreed with you, and if you can't handle that, then this is something you and your dick will have to handle, because you are nothing more than a wa*ker, so fu*ck off!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

oh sorry i hope i didnt make u cry shit head actually i didnt read you columns because all i saw was blah blah blah no words freak.
I am tired of talking to you obviously you dont understand shit all you know is shit.
You are a dum and delluded fool go bark on a tree that would listen u are not misinformed asshole you know the truth jew but dont want to say it fucking jew if you were close by abusing arabs i would have shown you what arabs can do cont.
Maybe you quare got tired of being screwed by the americans and you are looking for an arab to screw you come to lebanon and i promise shoving my booth up your ass samir or is it shamim.
Go buy a dildo write on it arab an shove it up your jewish ass.
And if you hate jews and americans so much then what about brittians they too attacked iraq so go into a mall and blow yourself up you will do a lot of people a BIG favour jew.b

Well well, an arse hole like you obviously cannot reply to any of the issues raised on this forum, so all now you can write about is complete and utter bull shit!! It is now clear to everyone that you are in fact the who is barking like the dog you are, or is that dog turd!! Speaking of queer, which is what you are, a gay male gigolo, Lebanon I believe has just legitimised an organisation for homosexual Arabs in your country, may be you are the founding member of that, since you rasied the issue. Perhaps it is you who needs a dildo up his back side.I think there was an article about Arab gays and Lebanon this on this very forum!! Anyway back to other matters, I have quashed your arguements, and more to the point, I live in Britain, London actually, with people from all over thre world, it is quite a multi-cultural place, there are many good Mulsims here who want to help fellow Muslims in less fortunate parts of the world. I don't see the point of suicide bombing, since this is HARAM in Islam, obviously you may want to think about that before telling people to blow thmeselves up, WRITING like a true deranged Arab!! There are many Arab nations who are just as much to blame for the war in Iraq, so your arguement about Britain being part of the war effort, does not wash. Atleast we are trying to make some diffrence,and Blair has come under serious pressure over the Iraq war, and calls for his resignation are always on the agenda, it may not be much, but it is something. I think I have made my point clear, and if you can't be bothered to read, (but thats a lie, because I know you do), then do not bother to write!!

I think Samir you have hit on some very important points, I think that speaking from an Arab perspective, it pains me to say that the secularizaton of our societies has brought about a decline in religious observance of our values. The music videos are just one part of that, and the organisation for homosexuals in Lebanon you talk about does exist. Although the subject is considered very taboo. In fact there was a report on this on CNN. I think there are secular forces out there that are trying to make infidels of us Muslims, that is why I hate secularism, because it devalues religion. The point you made about women in Muslim societies is very true, they are the very heat beat of any society, and if you corrupt women, then you corrupt society. I find it repuganant that Israeli tourists get the V.I.P. treatment in some Arab countries, I don't think any Arab nation should even recognise Israels right to exist, as long as they occupy and terrorize our Palestinian brothers and sisters. What the Arab world needs is a revolution, however as you may have noticed, much of the talk on Arab forums is around music, celebrities, etc. Arabs are more "hung up on Madonna", or waiting for Mariah Carey to perform, to even bother with the more urgent situation such as the Shame brought on the Arab world that Iraq has been taken away from us, and some Arab countries were fully invoved. I hope some day the Ummah will unite against the enemies of Islam.

Samir,where are you i taught u said arabs are cowards and especially the lebanese well ass wipe go and watch al manar 8 isrealis dead 21 wounded and 2 captured thats what we do when they come visiting we serve them with bullets up their asses.
This is what arab lebanese do when jews comes visiting.

I think Hassan you are failing to understand the arguement here. My arguement here is not Hezbullah, they are the only army to have defeated the Israeli's, and I hope that they continue to do so. My arguement is while Palestnianas brothers and Sisters are dying, what are the rest of ther Arab world doing? Unfortunately Hezbullah is a militia army, I wish there was counrty that had the same mentality, but none does exist. Lebanon is such a mixture of a counrty, it is almost a split between a western style secularism on one side, and more conservative Islamic on the other. Unless other Arab countries in the Gulf and Egypt, Jordan, Syria pluck up the courage to fight the Israeli's, Hezbullah alone will not be able to make the decisive difference required to put an end to this artificial state of Israel. Looking at things from a much wider perspective, you have to take into account that most of the Arab world have allowed the killing of Palestinians to go on, and have looked the other way. My arguement is very complex, and requires from the perspective of the reader to look at tings from an overall viewpoint. You have to understand that Hezbulah represents only one face of Lebanon, and Lebanese society has many faces.

Samir, lets stop fighting and talk i said to u before the problem is the arab leaders they are the problem they dont want to loose their riches they are enjoying while the arab people suffer now saudi arabia is condemning what hezbollah did and they did it not only because of exchanging prisoners but because of palestinians because of how they are suffering and now lebanon will pay a price for that with no country backing them my wife and kids and my parents are stuck there but all i can do is hope hezbollah keeps up the arabs arent coward but our goverments are the cowards and there is nothing we can do about it only to revolt and one day it will happen hopefully.

Hassan, I have already answered on several occassions that it is not all about Arab leaders being backed by the Western powers. Your arguement is very simplistic! History has shown time and time again that there are Muslim nations like Pakistan, Turkey, Iran who are military powers, greater than any of the Arab nations. Pakistan is a nuclear power yet it is an ally of the Americans, do you see the contradiction of your arguement. Turkey is allied to the West, yet is a major military force. Only Iran is not a Western ally, yet its first nuclear reactor was provided by the Americans. Iran is now trying to get nuclear weapons, like Pakistan has. I can't go over the same arguement because it has been well argued and I have justified significantly the convictions of my arguement, you may want to re-read my lasts posts. With regards to Hezbullah, yes they are fighters, yes they are brave, yes they can give Israel a fight, even a bloody nose, but Hezbullah alone cannot win the end game, they need greater support. Look...Israel just bombed your airport, bombed your capital Beirut, they have complete ownership of the sky. My point being where is the Labanese airforce?? You know Israel is dangerous, a hostile neighbour, yet Lebanon has no airforce. The Israeli's only last week went over Damascus over the Syrian president palace, violated Syrian airspace, which to any country is an act of war, but what did the Syrians do, where is the Syrian airforce, why did their planes not counter Israeli planes? If Israel violated Pakistan or Irans airspace, or even Turkeys, you bet Israel would get a very harsh response. Why are Arab pilots so poorly trained that they cannot fight the Israeli's pilots, take Iraq an example of poor training, and we were told that the Iraq's were the most advanced airoforce in the Arab world, then may ALLAH help the Arab airforces! Going back to Lebanon, like I said, your country has many faces, there many Christian Lebanese who do not like the actions of Hezbullah, in fact they are critical of them. Why is it left to Hezbullah to defend Lebanon, where is the Lebanese army? Why do Arab countries not industrialise, yet they take the easy root of advancing tourism in their country which brings its own decadence and moral corruption. Turkey is indutrsial, as is Iran, Pakistan, and Maylasia and the Arab world industrially very behind. Egypt is dscribed as the most advanced of the Arab states, yet from a Industrial perpesctive it is still very behind non Arab Msulim countries, let alone Western countries. You can be an ally of the West and still be a power, as Pakistan has proved. Considering that the Arab world has had three wars with Israel, it is high time that they pluck up their ideas and invest in becoming stronger military powers. Take the Dubai, and other Gulf Arab states, they are not industrialising, instead they are becoming playgrounds for rich Arabs and Westerners. If you don't indutrialise, you are not going to be self suffcicient. The Arabs should take a leaf out of Irans and Pakistan's example, probably and hopefully the only two nuclear Muslim powers of the future

Samir, What u r saying is true but u know that lebanon is a country that is majority of muslims but not controlled by them that is because of france and the western countries and during the civil war the muslims suffered greatly from not only themselves but because of isreal and america then later the shias new that the only way to defend them selves was to create an gorilla army which is hizbollah backed by Iran and syria then the shiaas and all the other muslims became safe but now the hariri and some christians and druz are trying to cripple hizbollah because thats what america wants because no arab nation is supposed to be strong that why all the other arab nations are not doing anything because they know that if they try to do so they will end up in war with the west so thats why they dont try that they dont want to die and suffer as the lebanese people are doing they are scared who blames them see what is happening to the lebanese people it is hard kids dying and others when the arab worlds sees what is hapening in palestine and lebanon they keep their mouth shut we have to wait when the imam mehdi (pbuh) we come out and rescue the muslims that is the only way for us to be safe no other way.

Hassan, I understand what you are saying, and I hope someday that the Arab world will rise up, but like I said, you must look at things from a wider perspective. I know you talk about other Arab countries, but I have given you examples of other Muslim countries who have governments backed by the West, yet have maintained a certain degree of miltary credibility. Let us take Syria, I think we can both agree that the Syrian government is not backed by any Western government, yet Israeli war planes have flown over the Palace of the Syrians President in Damascus, yet where was the Syrian airforce to counter them. Can Isael just do what it likes, violate any sovreign state airspace without due care? Surely the Syrians know the threat from Israel, so why not improve their military infrastructure. Okay let us look at things from another perspective, look at this forum, Lebanon is bleeding, those israeli's have crippled beirut, yet people on many Arab forums are more concerned with Arab Superstar or something, or Madonna, or someone called Delta goodwin whoever she is. I know of only Iran who are true supporters of Muslim causes in the Musilm and Arab world. I have talked to many Arabs, and believe me when I say that they are more concerened with anything else, except the constant destruction of fellow Muslims in Paletsine, Iraq, Afghnanistan, and now Lebanon. Like you I hope that there is a revolution, but for that to happen, people in the Arab world will have to wake up form their coma, stop trying to be like Western socieities, find their true culture and gain inspiration form Islam as a guiding force. However I amnot optimistic, take Iraq, shia and sunni Arabs are killing each other at a time when they should be united..it so sad.

Well I know Lebanon and Beirut in particular are being seriously targeted by the Israeli's, I just want to say despite our diffrenec of opinion, I wish safety for you and your family.

Samir, this may be my last mail to you and i want you to know that i have decided to be part of this war i am going there to fight and that is what every lebanese arab muslim should do know because this is the time to stand up and face the enemy and if there is any lebanese here reading this message come lets go to syria and enter lebanon there and get ready to defend our country and samir syria are cowards u know that already when they are hit they rely on hizbollah to defend them and know hizbollah is busy so if they hit the planes passing the isrealis will strike them and hizbollah cant save them know but iran has assured them they will be safe but still they are scared to throw a blow it is sad that from the arabs only hizbollah in lebanon stands up to defend not only muslim arabs but arabs in general dont wory samir the time has come for isreal and who ever backs them the imam el mehdi (pbuh) has come and met and met Khameni
told him let iran continue its nuclear development and iran will be safe the end is near you shall see soon.